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Old 06-08-2009, 04:19 AM
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HELP please!

my occs are spawning now but the eggs are not bright orange , they are pale . i guess the eggs are not healthy. they hatch but will the larvae still die even if im doing everything right?
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I'm not the best advisor for this, so hopefully someone else will chime in... but from the sound of it this is a recently spawning pair. Most experienced breeders have advised not bothering with the first few clutches. The coloration is probably due to a lack of fats and proteins in the parent's diet.... again, this is based only on what I've read.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:02 PM
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my occs are spawning now but the eggs are not bright orange , they are pale . i guess the eggs are not healthy. they hatch but will the larvae still die even if im doing everything right?
Hi Tim, if the eggs are pale after spawning, they wonīt hatch, because within the next days, they will be gone.

What are you feeding the brood stock and how often?
Is it possible for the sun to shine on the eggs? Did you take a picture with flash?
Was it the first time they spawned?

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Marcel, the eggs do hatch. they spawned two weeks ago and they spawned again last night. the first clutch, the eggs were also pale, a very light yellow, but over the eight days they developed with the silvery eyes and hatched on the 8th day. i managed to transfer the larvae to a 10 gallon tank but they died on the 2nd day.

im feeding the brood stock mysis shrimp and spirulina enriched brine shrimp mostly. about twice a day. they are very picky they wont eat flakes, freeze dried plankton, or formula 2. what else can i try? im willing to try anything at this point.

no sun shine on the eggs and no flash from the camera.

but the pair i got was already spawning before i got it. and they resumed spawning again after a month.

my question is can the larvae still survive? i dont want to be wasting my time transfering them if they are gonna die anyways
or should i wait until the eggs are bright orange and healthy before i try rearing them?

greatly appreciated for the help guys!
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try feeding 3-4 times a day proper newtrishon is every thing.It take a loot or energey to spawn so mor feedins to bost up the matabalizem
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try feeding 3-4 times a day proper newtrishon is every thing.It take a loot or energey to spawn so mor feedins to bost up the matabalizem
what should i feed them?
what do you feed your clowns?
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PE misis & inriched brine shrimp also the powder cyclopses.The PE misis shrimp and the cyclopses are about 63-65% protine and thay will love the cyclopses as a treat and you can soak the food in garlick and selco at times you can soak some food in a small bit of lemon juice for vitamin c.Vitamin c &protine are importint
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PE misis & inriched brine shrimp also the powder cyclopses.The PE misis shrimp and the cyclopses are about 63-65% protine and thay will love the cyclopses as a treat and you can soak the food in garlick and selco at times you can soak some food in a small bit of lemon juice for vitamin c.Vitamin c &protine are importint
k cool thanks im going to try that. what does PE stand for?
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what should i feed them?
what do you feed your clowns?
Hi Tim,

feeding 3 times a day is enough, if they get the right nutrition.
I wrote the last time about the lack of vitamin c. Thatīs actually an old story.
I did lots of research and now I know, that vitamin c is much more important, than I thought.

Try this, thatīs what my broodstock and also the offspring gets.

500 gr. seafood mix, which contains mussels, squid, prawns, crab sticks,
fish pieces. If there is to much squid in, I take a bit out and add
fish and/or mussels. Squid is taff stuff for the blender and for small
juveniles difficult to eat.
1 yellow of the egg, for protein
15 salmon oil capsules, without the capsules for sure.
1 soaked Nori leave, sushi seaweed
Multivitamin unflavoured , i used by mistake pineapple flavour, food was smelling nice and the fish eats it too. But for picky eaters, unflavoured would be better.
For the amount of multivitamin you have to make sure that you add 250mg vitamin c per kg feed! 300mg/kg would be even better.
All this in the blender. Mix it very fine for very small and not so fine for bigger fish.
Dilute 20 gr. gelatine in warm/hot water and put in the blender as well. Blend it for a few seconds, poor a third in a freezer bag. Under the freezer bag put a cardboard.
On top of the full freezer bag put another cardboard to make a slab. Leave the cardboard on top, fill the next freezer bag, on top cardboard and so on.
Looks like a burger. After it is frozen, you brake the piece you need for the day, use what you need right now and the rest put in a tupperware and in the fridge.
I cut 2 x 2 cm pieces and throw them in the juvenile tank. The food is floating and they can eat whenever they want.
For the broodstock, I cut mouth size pieces and feed them.
Actually you can add in this food, what the fish really needs. More algae for surgeons, etc.

It can be, that they are not going mad for this food immediately, but after a while they should eat it like hell. And that food is much cheaper than mysis, etc. Here in south africa, you get two slabs mysis for around 8 USD. For 8 USD I can make a whole kilo food and the nutrition value is much, much better. That means, more healthy broodstock, eggs, larvae, etc. and bigger cluster eggs.

To give you an idea, how bad our food really is.
Mussels, fish and shrimps/prawns contain only 20mg of vitamin c, squid contains 48 mg vitamin c. So that is only 10 % of whatīs required.

Let me know, how it works.

Marcel
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diet for clowns

Tim,
You can go through a great deal of trouble, and money, making your own food. I've done it, and its great for the fish, but not worth the trouble. You need to vary your clowns diet, with foods like Formula one frozen cubes, a good green flake like spirulina or Formula two, pellet food like New Life Spectrum or ORA's pellet, and only feed brine or mysis as a treat sparingly. The eggs are light in color due to poor diet. They will hatch, but you will have very, very low numbers if any make it to and through metamorphosis. The key to good survival rates start with feeding the broodstock pairs high quality food. Formula one is great, it was developed as a food for clownfish specifically.
PE stands for the company selling the mysis, Pycine Energetics.

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